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12273 pts ★ ChampionOn 2023-04-16 at 22:06:11
I mean some decisions are too edgy, being zoophile is their choice but it's ultra weird, at least from my point of view. The problem is that most of the so called anti-zoophiles are as bad as what they want to fight against. Also, most furries aren't zoophiles... And it's their choice. I believe it is right, but nobody deserves to suffer. Some advices on what the dangers of your decision are, and some explanation why you are against their choice is 100 times better than harassment. At least that's how I see it.
You believe the ability to fuck the local dog you find on the street is something that is a right? How is this allowed? a mod has to be on this bro wtf
The right to choose whatever the fuck you wanna do? That's a right. Don't get me wrong, that's pretty dumb, but I also think plenty of other things that people are actually into are stupid as well, & for my own safety I ain't listin any of 'em. If you want to go fuck a dog, fuck it. Your choice. And Lely's been on the site for a while, if there was an issue, he'd of been banned by now, so clearly there isn't one.
EDIT: Just read his description for the first, that's a LONG paragraph(ignore this bit yeah?)
Ain’t no way you’re tryna say that people who want to fuck dogs should fuck ‘em. Dogs can not consent to being fucked, and even if they could what kinda fucked up person to you have to be to wanna have sex with an animal. There’s a reason why it’s illegal in most places, I consider myself to be quite a tolerant person but I draw the line at zoophilia and pedophilia. To me zoophilia is almost as bad as pedophilia, because in both cases a main party cannot consent. I bet you wouldn’t say kids can consent so how can animals, it’s absolutely vile and disgusting.
If somebody wants to choose to fuck a dog, then they can. It's gross, but doable, so some human out there is & will continue doing it. And I don't know where tf you guys live, but there are a shit ton of kids who have sex with 18+ teens at 12 & 13 here. Let's face it: they ain't stupid. They know already what they're getting into. Again, they have the right to choose what they spend their time doing, so.....
Not to mention that an animal in that position has no fucking clue what's going on, unless it's a smart one, and the list of smart animals does not include any domesticated ones, no sheep, cows, horses, chickens, cats, dogs, those are not "smart". And all the animals that actually have a brain are either in the wild or in a zoo, & the animals in the wild would be doing the fucking, not any person. It might be awful, but there are plenty worse things they could be doing, like killing people, burning buildings, robbing bank, actually 100% BAD things. Collecting STD's from your cat's pussy is still between you & your cat, which has no earthly clue what the hell you're doing, & unless someone else sees it & rats you out.... Whether that amounts to doing it for shits and giggles, or it amounts to a strange fetish, you can choose every action you make in your life, regardless of legality. You might go to jail afterwards, but you can still choose to go through with it in the first place. That's all.
why are u defending criminals
I'm not trying to defend them, I'm saying that they can still choose to do watever the fuck they want. Add in the factoids of
1) they're only mashing up their own cock
and
2) the animal is 9/10 too retarded to understand what's happening back there if it's domesticated
and you've got an illegal hobby that you can actually super easily to get away eith. The sex doesn't hurt anyone besides the people having the sex, which, as I just said, are both incredibky stupid. And people still choose to do drugs, smoke, kill. If someone can make the conscious decision to fuck a dog, then they will. End of point.
die please
No. You'll have to come kill me yourself
1: There only breaking their dick or vagina
2: Every domestic animal is too retarded to understand in this situation, & the lion or tiger would be the one cumming, not getting cummed in. The end. There's literally nothing more to it that that.
On 2023-04-16 at 15:27:50
Didnt mean to start a debate
Eh, don't worry about it. I was gonna stop now anyway. I seem to be fairly good at creating small conflicts.
On 2023-04-16 at 15:21:08
I mean some decisions are too edgy, being zoophile is their choice but it's ultra weird, at least from my point of view. The problem is that most of the so called anti-zoophiles are as bad as what they want to fight against. Also, most furries aren't zoophiles... And it's their choice. I believe it is right, but nobody deserves to suffer. Some advices on what the dangers of your decision are, and some explanation why you are against their choice is 100 times better than harassment. At least that's how I see it.
You believe the ability to fuck the local dog you find on the street is something that is a right? How is this allowed? a mod has to be on this bro wtf
The right to choose whatever the fuck you wanna do? That's a right. Don't get me wrong, that's pretty dumb, but I also think plenty of other things that people are actually into are stupid as well, & for my own safety I ain't listin any of 'em. If you want to go fuck a dog, fuck it. Your choice. And Lely's been on the site for a while, if there was an issue, he'd of been banned by now, so clearly there isn't one.
EDIT: Just read his description for the first, that's a LONG paragraph(ignore this bit yeah?)
Ain’t no way you’re tryna say that people who want to fuck dogs should fuck ‘em. Dogs can not consent to being fucked, and even if they could what kinda fucked up person to you have to be to wanna have sex with an animal. There’s a reason why it’s illegal in most places, I consider myself to be quite a tolerant person but I draw the line at zoophilia and pedophilia. To me zoophilia is almost as bad as pedophilia, because in both cases a main party cannot consent. I bet you wouldn’t say kids can consent so how can animals, it’s absolutely vile and disgusting.
If somebody wants to choose to fuck a dog, then they can. It's gross, but doable, so some human out there is & will continue doing it. And I don't know where tf you guys live, but there are a shit ton of kids who have sex with 18+ teens at 12 & 13 here. Let's face it: they ain't stupid. They know already what they're getting into. Again, they have the right to choose what they spend their time doing, so.....
Not to mention that an animal in that position has no fucking clue what's going on, unless it's a smart one, and the list of smart animals does not include any domesticated ones, no sheep, cows, horses, chickens, cats, dogs, those are not "smart". And all the animals that actually have a brain are either in the wild or in a zoo, & the animals in the wild would be doing the fucking, not any person. It might be awful, but there are plenty worse things they could be doing, like killing people, burning buildings, robbing bank, actually 100% BAD things. Collecting STD's from your cat's pussy is still between you & your cat, which has no earthly clue what the hell you're doing, & unless someone else sees it & rats you out.... Whether that amounts to doing it for shits and giggles, or it amounts to a strange fetish, you can choose every action you make in your life, regardless of legality. You might go to jail afterwards, but you can still choose to go through with it in the first place. That's all.
why are u defending criminals
I'm not trying to defend them, I'm saying that they can still choose to do watever the fuck they want. Add in the factoids of
1) they're only mashing up their own cock
and
2) the animal is 9/10 too retarded to understand what's happening back there if it's domesticated
and you've got an illegal hobby that you can actually super easily to get away eith. The sex doesn't hurt anyone besides the people having the sex, which, as I just said, are both incredibky stupid. And people still choose to do drugs, smoke, kill. If someone can make the conscious decision to fuck a dog, then they will. End of point.
can animals give consent? i dont think so
Again, domestic animals are too dumb to know, and the wild ones would be giving out the anal, not recieving. Also they know that the human is only either gonna break his cock/rip their pussy.'
And a country where guns aren't illegal shouldn't be an example for other laws on protecting the innocent.
On 2023-04-16 at 14:33:04
Also the country you chose is a dump full of snowflakes who either have a "halfbrain" complex or a "clout me too" complex. Do you happen to have a version of this law from an actual country?
On 2023-04-16 at 14:30:21
I mean some decisions are too edgy, being zoophile is their choice but it's ultra weird, at least from my point of view. The problem is that most of the so called anti-zoophiles are as bad as what they want to fight against. Also, most furries aren't zoophiles... And it's their choice. I believe it is right, but nobody deserves to suffer. Some advices on what the dangers of your decision are, and some explanation why you are against their choice is 100 times better than harassment. At least that's how I see it.
You believe the ability to fuck the local dog you find on the street is something that is a right? How is this allowed? a mod has to be on this bro wtf
The right to choose whatever the fuck you wanna do? That's a right. Don't get me wrong, that's pretty dumb, but I also think plenty of other things that people are actually into are stupid as well, & for my own safety I ain't listin any of 'em. If you want to go fuck a dog, fuck it. Your choice. And Lely's been on the site for a while, if there was an issue, he'd of been banned by now, so clearly there isn't one.
EDIT: Just read his description for the first, that's a LONG paragraph(ignore this bit yeah?)
Ain’t no way you’re tryna say that people who want to fuck dogs should fuck ‘em. Dogs can not consent to being fucked, and even if they could what kinda fucked up person to you have to be to wanna have sex with an animal. There’s a reason why it’s illegal in most places, I consider myself to be quite a tolerant person but I draw the line at zoophilia and pedophilia. To me zoophilia is almost as bad as pedophilia, because in both cases a main party cannot consent. I bet you wouldn’t say kids can consent so how can animals, it’s absolutely vile and disgusting.
If somebody wants to choose to fuck a dog, then they can. It's gross, but doable, so some human out there is & will continue doing it. And I don't know where tf you guys live, but there are a shit ton of kids who have sex with 18+ teens at 12 & 13 here. Let's face it: they ain't stupid. They know already what they're getting into. Again, they have the right to choose what they spend their time doing, so.....
Not to mention that an animal in that position has no fucking clue what's going on, unless it's a smart one, and the list of smart animals does not include any domesticated ones, no sheep, cows, horses, chickens, cats, dogs, those are not "smart". And all the animals that actually have a brain are either in the wild or in a zoo, & the animals in the wild would be doing the fucking, not any person. It might be awful, but there are plenty worse things they could be doing, like killing people, burning buildings, robbing bank, actually 100% BAD things. Collecting STD's from your cat's pussy is still between you & your cat, which has no earthly clue what the hell you're doing, & unless someone else sees it & rats you out.... Whether that amounts to doing it for shits and giggles, or it amounts to a strange fetish, you can choose every action you make in your life, regardless of legality. You might go to jail afterwards, but you can still choose to go through with it in the first place. That's all.
why are u defending criminals
I'm not trying to defend them, I'm saying that they can still choose to do watever the fuck they want. Add in the factoids of
1) they're only mashing up their own cock
and
2) the animal is 9/10 too retarded to understand what's happening back there if it's domesticated
and you've got an illegal hobby that you can actually super easily to get away eith. The sex doesn't hurt anyone besides the people having the sex, which, as I just said, are both incredibky stupid. And people still choose to do drugs, smoke, kill. If someone can make the conscious decision to fuck a dog, then they will. End of point.
On 2023-04-16 at 05:07:39
Anyhoos, I guess someone with a pet would see it differently. Don't have one so not my problem 
On 2023-04-16 at 05:06:37
I mean some decisions are too edgy, being zoophile is their choice but it's ultra weird, at least from my point of view. The problem is that most of the so called anti-zoophiles are as bad as what they want to fight against. Also, most furries aren't zoophiles... And it's their choice. I believe it is right, but nobody deserves to suffer. Some advices on what the dangers of your decision are, and some explanation why you are against their choice is 100 times better than harassment. At least that's how I see it.
You believe the ability to fuck the local dog you find on the street is something that is a right? How is this allowed? a mod has to be on this bro wtf
The right to choose whatever the fuck you wanna do? That's a right. Don't get me wrong, that's pretty dumb, but I also think plenty of other things that people are actually into are stupid as well, & for my own safety I ain't listin any of 'em. If you want to go fuck a dog, fuck it. Your choice. And Lely's been on the site for a while, if there was an issue, he'd of been banned by now, so clearly there isn't one.
EDIT: Just read his description for the first, that's a LONG paragraph(ignore this bit yeah?)
Ain’t no way you’re tryna say that people who want to fuck dogs should fuck ‘em. Dogs can not consent to being fucked, and even if they could what kinda fucked up person to you have to be to wanna have sex with an animal. There’s a reason why it’s illegal in most places, I consider myself to be quite a tolerant person but I draw the line at zoophilia and pedophilia. To me zoophilia is almost as bad as pedophilia, because in both cases a main party cannot consent. I bet you wouldn’t say kids can consent so how can animals, it’s absolutely vile and disgusting.
If somebody wants to choose to fuck a dog, then they can. It's gross, but doable, so some human out there is & will continue doing it. And I don't know where tf you guys live, but there are a shit ton of kids who have sex with 18+ teens at 12 & 13 here. Let's face it: they ain't stupid. They know already what they're getting into. Again, they have the right to choose what they spend their time doing, so.....
Not to mention that an animal in that position has no fucking clue what's going on, unless it's a smart one, and the list of smart animals does not include any domesticated ones, no sheep, cows, horses, chickens, cats, dogs, those are not "smart". And all the animals that actually have a brain are either in the wild or in a zoo, & the animals in the wild would be doing the fucking, not any person. It might be awful, but there are plenty worse things they could be doing, like killing people, burning buildings, robbing bank, actually 100% BAD things. Collecting STD's from your cat's pussy is still between you & your cat, which has no earthly clue what the hell you're doing, & unless someone else sees it & rats you out.... Whether that amounts to doing it for shits and giggles, or it amounts to a strange fetish, you can choose every action you make in your life, regardless of legality. You might go to jail afterwards, but you can still choose to go through with it in the first place. That's all.
On 2023-04-16 at 03:32:20
I mean some decisions are too edgy, being zoophile is their choice but it's ultra weird, at least from my point of view. The problem is that most of the so called anti-zoophiles are as bad as what they want to fight against. Also, most furries aren't zoophiles... And it's their choice. I believe it is right, but nobody deserves to suffer. Some advices on what the dangers of your decision are, and some explanation why you are against their choice is 100 times better than harassment. At least that's how I see it.
You believe the ability to fuck the local dog you find on the street is something that is a right? How is this allowed? a mod has to be on this bro wtf
The right to choose whatever the fuck you wanna do? That's a right. Don't get me wrong, that's pretty dumb, but I also think plenty of other things that people are actually into are stupid as well, & for my own safety I ain't listin any of 'em. If you want to go fuck a dog, fuck it. Your choice. And Lely's been on the site for a while, if there was an issue, he'd of been banned by now, so clearly there isn't one.
EDIT: Just read his description for the first, that's a LONG paragraph(ignore this bit yeah?)
On 2023-04-14 at 19:16:30
Anti means against, so if you have an issue with someone who is against a certain subject, you either support that subject or are on the fence/don't care either way. Just a tidbit from me.
Would if Wario Was in New Super Mario Bros. 2?
On 2023-04-16 at 22:07:56
I mean, Wario DOES love gold... Maybe DLC?
They aren't gonna do DLC for a 3DS game. Also there's alot of coins in the Mario universe: the Crazy Cap use coins as currency. Mario can't be their only customer, everyone must use them. That isn't enough to warrant a DLC.
1On 2023-04-11 at 20:03:14
So this is Wario.
I once thought Wario was in NSMB2. But there is no sign of Him in the Files.
But What would the Game Be Like if He was in it?
He Loves Gold. Gold is everywhere in NSMB2.
But He isn't in it.
Was He Planned on Being in it?
Or was He Never Going to Be in it?
What are Ur Thoughts?
I once thought Wario was in NSMB2. But there is no sign of Him in the Files.
But What would the Game Be Like if He was in it?
He Loves Gold. Gold is everywhere in NSMB2.
But He isn't in it.
Was He Planned on Being in it?
Or was He Never Going to Be in it?
What are Ur Thoughts?
1. He was never planned
2. He sucks
3. He's become rich several times in his own games, he doesn't really need this
4. He sucks
5. His ass is too fat for a 2D sidescroller, you'd die over & over because of his hitboxes.
1what is "reversedrifting"?
On 2023-04-16 at 20:41:04
Now that I know What I'm Doing, I'm Practicing It. So I can Beat those Evil CPU's. 
1. The CPU aren't really evil, just difficult
2. You don't need to reverse drift to beat any of the CPUs in Grand Prix
3. Plural is CPUs. "CPU's" is "something that belongs to the CPU", not plural, possessive. Tiny grammatical error.
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1the ninja kidz
On 2023-04-15 at 22:46:28
Thanks for the throwback to when my brother was like 2, glad he's grown out of this crap now. What an equally decent and stupid channel, glad SOMEONE manages to enjoy.
EDIT: Sorry omg I shouldn't havespoken my mind worded it like that I'm sorry Flissy
EDIT: Sorry omg I shouldn't have
2I Feel Sad about MKT 3DS Rainbow Road N, R, T, and the Soon R/T.
On 2023-04-11 at 19:33:54
They removed the Sun Stare shot, my childhood was absolutely ruined. They messed up the track, put anti-grav in the ONE place it shouldn't have been. Worst version, 2/10 because of the music, it is very pretty.
OH! The TOUR Version and NS Version are a 5/10 Compared to the OG. The OG has Cool Tricks and Shortcuts.
I was gonna skip the part where I slammed on the original as well, but I opted to hit the bad versions only. Want me to dunk on the original? Because it still has a ton of problems too.
On 2023-04-11 at 03:43:10
They removed the Sun Stare shot, my childhood was absolutely ruined. They fucked up the track, put anti-grav in the ONE place it shouldn't have been. Worst version, 2/10 because of the music, it is very pretty.
2On 2023-04-10 at 22:48:48
Really? I thought the OG was good.
I really meant the ACTUAL Tour version, it sucks. The 8 Deluxe version is even worse, minus the music.
21On 2023-04-10 at 21:32:58
So, I was Excited to Make MKT 3DS Rainbow Road in MKPC, Like My other Sweet Recreations.
But MKT 3DS Rainbow Road Came out Poorly. The Design Itself is Good. But Re scaling it Failed. So Now it's Tiny.
Now I feel Upset I made a Poor Recreation.
But MKT 3DS Rainbow Road Came out Poorly. The Design Itself is Good. But Re scaling it Failed. So Now it's Tiny.
Now I feel Upset I made a Poor Recreation.
Kind of a pointless topic, but 3DS Rainbow Road was already terrible, so you don't need to feel like you "worsened" it, it's always been bad in the first place.
3Does anyone else find it Annoying that It's only the GBA tracks that Nintendo Messes up?
On 2023-04-06 at 19:07:39
Since a certain somebody reopened this shit for Yoshi Desert....
Clearly you've never played (or ever seen any footage past some rando with no idea what they're doing) MKSC because there's a lot of interesting stuff going on here. Pretty much every track has some strats that allow you to massively cut times and push the skill ceiling ad-infinitum. Every track is a new test of skill: what tech have you gotten down and which do you need to work on. It's got a learning curve, but once you get past it's easily one of the most rewarding kart experiences. Want proof?
Compare this to MK8D, where I can literally beat the game without ever touching the controller during the race. Their WRs look like this.
There's some cool glider tech on MC, but other than that, all the interesting stuff relies on the visual flashiness of the track rather than the mechanics of the game. It's 99% lineage, basically the same as MK7's WRs except with less glider tech. I still respect these players (they work with the mechanics and options they have access to, and still produce clean runs), but ultimately the game gives you less options to go fast so there is a lower skill ceiling making the game inherently less interesting.
Again, DK Mountain, Waluigi Stadium, and DK Jungle Parkway are known for their flatness. Definitely. As is Mario Raceway. I know there's no anti-gravity or anything but I guess if a track doesn't have the characters at an angle where it would be impossible to drive on IRL, it's flat.
And yes, Mario Kart Wii was the beginning of the end. This is coming from someone who's first kart was Mario Kart Wii. It's still an ok kart experience but it deliberately took away options from MKDS and replaced it with Funky Kong's Wheelie Simulator 2008. It's still more interesting than the games that came after it but it's objectively the least mechanically interesting kart released up to that point. And people still say it's the Melee of karts.
I will give you Sherbet Land. I've mentioned DK Jungle Parkway before and I have Mario Raceway. Bowser Castle has some elevation changes that aren't really noticed during gameplay but it is there, even if it only really affects the track during the spiral up out of the castle.
For the third time now. Just because a certain track was remade in a certain way does not fucking mean that it is was they were always intending to do with the track. I can guarantee you right now that if a track like Waluigi Stadium was remade in MK8D, it would have needless anti-gravity and underwater sections too, while Wario Stadium's remake in MKW would basically be one-to-one. MK64's Sherbet Land would have needless anti-gravity and underwater sections, while MKDD's Sherbet Land would be remade, again, one-to-one. And I'm not even talking about the DLC!
There is genuinely no way to tell what a developer is going to do next in the moment, you're just making erroneous conclusions based on what we see now. If you look at MKW's unused data + prerelease footage + concept art, there is zero mention of anything to do with gliders or any underwater driving, nor anti-gravity. Saying they "had it in mind" is unprovable to be true or false.
For a long time handheld games were of lower quality than their console counterparts, you sacrificed it for that portability factor. But to say most retro games? I doubt. You're expecting the same visual flashiness and polish from a Nintendo 64 game as you do a Switch game. You want to compare games? Compare them of the same generation, then we'll talk. And even if we ignore it these older games also take a lot of risks that I find newer games lack (which I appreciate). Say what you will about Mario 64 or Sonic Adventure 1, those games are absolutely groundbreaking and they more or less seamlessly transitioned their respective series into 3D with gameplay mechanics that are still fun with a boatload of replayability. Compare those games to Mario Galaxy 2 or Sonic Generations, while they are good fun games, they use tried and true formulas and ultimately aren't setting the world on fire with new mechanics and ideas. Which would I rather play more? Depends on the day but probably the older ones.
"More random" means literally nothing. It's just your interpretation of a track's layout.
I will give you that Super Circuit is the worst selling kart game, but it's not like the others outsold it by a longshot. Double Dash sold barely a million more copies than it, Super Mario Kart three million more, and 64 four million more, and SMK+64 has the luxury of being re-released multiple times on three generations of hardware. Super Circuit was only ever rereleased for sale on the Wii U, a console that was basically dead on arrival. Super Circuit is also the best selling Mario game for the GBA, and it was never a bundled with the console either.
The issue? Super Circuit never had a wave of nostalgic fanboys defending it. That wave went straight from MK64 to MKDD to MKW. That crowd that still sees those games as flawless would flip their shit if there was any change to their tracks. Nintendo, thusly, has to keep those at least somewhat faithful, because there will be backlash and something will be done about it (or probably not, Nintendo fans would buy air if it had the Mario name on it). If they could get away with it, they absolutely would be doing it. They can't though.
Super Circuit on the other hand has no fanbase like that and is generally regarded lowly in the fan's opinions. Nintendo can get away with that because the people who like Super Circuit are such a small minority that there won't be backlash and there won't be anything done about it. It's a shame.
Then do what I said earlier. Employ the game's gimmicks without changing the track's layout and don't make the track over-reliant on the gimmicks. If you can't make it work, don't sully the track's legacy.
And even disregarding that, this hasn't stopped them from remaking SNES Rainbow Road four separate times now, all of which pretty one-to-one with the original track from 1992. Same goes with Waluigi Pinball, Maple Treeway, Coconut Mall, Kalamari Desert, Airship Fortress, Dino Dino Jungle, and Koopa Cape, all of which have been remade multiple times, all of which will continue to be remade virtually unchanged until the end of time, or least until their diehards eventually croak.
1. Comp doesn't mean jackshit in a casual setting, and those cuts and skips only exist because it's FUCKING 2 DIMENSIONAL. GBA is fairly boring.
2. Any track with an incline can't be FLAT, that literally goes against the words definition. All the GBA retros in Wii? FLAT. Any track that has height deviation can't be flat.
3. SNES has nostalgia, none of the other games have enough attached to them for that to matter, maybe except Wii having a lot more players than the others.
4. The "gimmicks" the original game had don't make a lick of sense post-2011. The stuff would be too retarded to make sense(Notice how much more polished against skips Mario Kart 8/8Deluxe are than Wii, & 7 had less than Wii, & 8 Deluxe has less than 7?)
5. Those are 3D. The original versions were 3D. It makes sense that they are the same. A 2D TRACK, ON THE OTHER HAND, DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. All a 3D track needs is a visual overhaul and maybe include the newer mechanics. The first, logical, obvious step for making a 2D track in a 2.5D/3D game is? Say it with me: UNFLATTEN IT. IT DOES NOT WORK, NEVER HAS, NEVER WILL. Not to mention a ton of the SNES & GBA tracks would play similarly in their OG forms, Super Circuit literally has them to prove it. Not only does it make 0 sense, it'd be incredibly repetitive. Instead of giving tracks they KNOW are going to be repetitive, they can fix the one entry that is out of line for no reason(SNES has nostalgia, OG), other than the game being launched on what is incredibly poor hardware.
Notice how the GBA tracks are STILL not THAT much fun in their updated variants? They're cool, but compared to the other games, still a little meh. How, on this wonderful, pleasant, God-given Earth, anyone could possibly think the originals would be better, in the year 2023, is beyond me. Nuff said.
EDIT: This aged pretty badly too. Waluigi Stadium actually has some cool anti-gravity. The ground is still faster, obv it's still Waluigi Stadium, the strats are still essentially the same as Wii, but not as useless as Mario Kart Stadium, Toad's Turnpike, Sweet Sweet Canyone etc, you're just a SC stan.
EDIT: Stan was very offensive, I apologize for it.
There is nothing interesting about any MKSC course
I don't know much about MKSC but just like every major N64-GCN 1st party, they cut alot of shit.
I don't know much about MKSC but just like every major N64-GCN 1st party, they cut alot of shit.
Clearly you've never played (or ever seen any footage past some rando with no idea what they're doing) MKSC because there's a lot of interesting stuff going on here. Pretty much every track has some strats that allow you to massively cut times and push the skill ceiling ad-infinitum. Every track is a new test of skill: what tech have you gotten down and which do you need to work on. It's got a learning curve, but once you get past it's easily one of the most rewarding kart experiences. Want proof?
Compare this to MK8D, where I can literally beat the game without ever touching the controller during the race. Their WRs look like this.
There's some cool glider tech on MC, but other than that, all the interesting stuff relies on the visual flashiness of the track rather than the mechanics of the game. It's 99% lineage, basically the same as MK7's WRs except with less glider tech. I still respect these players (they work with the mechanics and options they have access to, and still produce clean runs), but ultimately the game gives you less options to go fast so there is a lower skill ceiling making the game inherently less interesting.
MKW being the end is copium
All of the Wii retros are specifically flat as hell. Daisy Cruiser isn't in Wii.
All of the Wii retros are specifically flat as hell. Daisy Cruiser isn't in Wii.
Again, DK Mountain, Waluigi Stadium, and DK Jungle Parkway are known for their flatness. Definitely. As is Mario Raceway. I know there's no anti-gravity or anything but I guess if a track doesn't have the characters at an angle where it would be impossible to drive on IRL, it's flat.
And yes, Mario Kart Wii was the beginning of the end. This is coming from someone who's first kart was Mario Kart Wii. It's still an ok kart experience but it deliberately took away options from MKDS and replaced it with Funky Kong's Wheelie Simulator 2008. It's still more interesting than the games that came after it but it's objectively the least mechanically interesting kart released up to that point. And people still say it's the Melee of karts.
Mariokart 64's "3D" courses are still mostly flat. Specifically talking about Mariokart Wii here.
I will give you Sherbet Land. I've mentioned DK Jungle Parkway before and I have Mario Raceway. Bowser Castle has some elevation changes that aren't really noticed during gameplay but it is there, even if it only really affects the track during the spiral up out of the castle.
By the time they made Mariokart Wii, they had stuff like gliding & underwater in mind. Never said they rushed it on purpose bozo, just they knew they would do it at some point & held off on using courses where that would actually be relevant.
For the third time now. Just because a certain track was remade in a certain way does not fucking mean that it is was they were always intending to do with the track. I can guarantee you right now that if a track like Waluigi Stadium was remade in MK8D, it would have needless anti-gravity and underwater sections too, while Wario Stadium's remake in MKW would basically be one-to-one. MK64's Sherbet Land would have needless anti-gravity and underwater sections, while MKDD's Sherbet Land would be remade, again, one-to-one. And I'm not even talking about the DLC!
There is genuinely no way to tell what a developer is going to do next in the moment, you're just making erroneous conclusions based on what we see now. If you look at MKW's unused data + prerelease footage + concept art, there is zero mention of anything to do with gliders or any underwater driving, nor anti-gravity. Saying they "had it in mind" is unprovable to be true or false.
At the time, great. Now, awful. Most retro games by the way, not just MK
For a long time handheld games were of lower quality than their console counterparts, you sacrificed it for that portability factor. But to say most retro games? I doubt. You're expecting the same visual flashiness and polish from a Nintendo 64 game as you do a Switch game. You want to compare games? Compare them of the same generation, then we'll talk. And even if we ignore it these older games also take a lot of risks that I find newer games lack (which I appreciate). Say what you will about Mario 64 or Sonic Adventure 1, those games are absolutely groundbreaking and they more or less seamlessly transitioned their respective series into 3D with gameplay mechanics that are still fun with a boatload of replayability. Compare those games to Mario Galaxy 2 or Sonic Generations, while they are good fun games, they use tried and true formulas and ultimately aren't setting the world on fire with new mechanics and ideas. Which would I rather play more? Depends on the day but probably the older ones.
Every course is a random assortment of turns to form a loop. MKSC has MORE random than all the other games combined. It also isn't nostalgic for most, so yeah, delete that shit.
"More random" means literally nothing. It's just your interpretation of a track's layout.
I will give you that Super Circuit is the worst selling kart game, but it's not like the others outsold it by a longshot. Double Dash sold barely a million more copies than it, Super Mario Kart three million more, and 64 four million more, and SMK+64 has the luxury of being re-released multiple times on three generations of hardware. Super Circuit was only ever rereleased for sale on the Wii U, a console that was basically dead on arrival. Super Circuit is also the best selling Mario game for the GBA, and it was never a bundled with the console either.
The issue? Super Circuit never had a wave of nostalgic fanboys defending it. That wave went straight from MK64 to MKDD to MKW. That crowd that still sees those games as flawless would flip their shit if there was any change to their tracks. Nintendo, thusly, has to keep those at least somewhat faithful, because there will be backlash and something will be done about it (or probably not, Nintendo fans would buy air if it had the Mario name on it). If they could get away with it, they absolutely would be doing it. They can't though.
Super Circuit on the other hand has no fanbase like that and is generally regarded lowly in the fan's opinions. Nintendo can get away with that because the people who like Super Circuit are such a small minority that there won't be backlash and there won't be anything done about it. It's a shame.
Faithful remakes would be boring af, hence the changes.
Then do what I said earlier. Employ the game's gimmicks without changing the track's layout and don't make the track over-reliant on the gimmicks. If you can't make it work, don't sully the track's legacy.
And even disregarding that, this hasn't stopped them from remaking SNES Rainbow Road four separate times now, all of which pretty one-to-one with the original track from 1992. Same goes with Waluigi Pinball, Maple Treeway, Coconut Mall, Kalamari Desert, Airship Fortress, Dino Dino Jungle, and Koopa Cape, all of which have been remade multiple times, all of which will continue to be remade virtually unchanged until the end of time, or least until their diehards eventually croak.
1. Comp doesn't mean jackshit in a casual setting, and those cuts and skips only exist because it's FUCKING 2 DIMENSIONAL. GBA is fairly boring.
2. Any track with an incline can't be FLAT, that literally goes against the words definition. All the GBA retros in Wii? FLAT. Any track that has height deviation can't be flat.
3. SNES has nostalgia, none of the other games have enough attached to them for that to matter, maybe except Wii having a lot more players than the others.
4. The "gimmicks" the original game had don't make a lick of sense post-2011. The stuff would be too retarded to make sense(Notice how much more polished against skips Mario Kart 8/8Deluxe are than Wii, & 7 had less than Wii, & 8 Deluxe has less than 7?)
5. Those are 3D. The original versions were 3D. It makes sense that they are the same. A 2D TRACK, ON THE OTHER HAND, DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. All a 3D track needs is a visual overhaul and maybe include the newer mechanics. The first, logical, obvious step for making a 2D track in a 2.5D/3D game is? Say it with me: UNFLATTEN IT. IT DOES NOT WORK, NEVER HAS, NEVER WILL. Not to mention a ton of the SNES & GBA tracks would play similarly in their OG forms, Super Circuit literally has them to prove it. Not only does it make 0 sense, it'd be incredibly repetitive. Instead of giving tracks they KNOW are going to be repetitive, they can fix the one entry that is out of line for no reason(SNES has nostalgia, OG), other than the game being launched on what is incredibly poor hardware.
Notice how the GBA tracks are STILL not THAT much fun in their updated variants? They're cool, but compared to the other games, still a little meh. How, on this wonderful, pleasant, God-given Earth, anyone could possibly think the originals would be better, in the year 2023, is beyond me. Nuff said.
EDIT: This aged pretty badly too. Waluigi Stadium actually has some cool anti-gravity. The ground is still faster, obv it's still Waluigi Stadium, the strats are still essentially the same as Wii, but not as useless as Mario Kart Stadium, Toad's Turnpike, Sweet Sweet Canyone etc, you're just a SC stan.
EDIT: Stan was very offensive, I apologize for it.
On 2023-04-06 at 18:52:36
And no, I'd rather not have the GBA tracks keep their random squiggles in the remakes: what's the point of remaking them if they're gonna be the same anyway?
Exactly, Nintendo Barely Changes the Wii Tracks, GCN Tracks in TOUR, DS Tracks, SNES Tracks, N64 Tracks, and 3DS Tracks. Mostly Wii Tracks.
But It's Only the GBA Tracks that Lose their Original Shape. Wii Dry Dry Ruins in MKT Barely Changed.
Okay genius, how does one modify a 3D place? We've already SEEN those tracks in full-fledged 3D/2.5D. How on earth would they explain the difference in appearance? It wouldn't work. The FLAT games didn't make sense to begin with. If SNES wasn't so damn nostalgic, those would've been modified too. GBA isn't nostalgic enough to get by, so they remade them. An already 3D area can't get a drastic overhaul unless it's a timeskip or something, and that isn't the case here, it's fucking Mario. It wouldn't make sense.
On 2023-01-28 at 01:41:14
Explaining the CTGP thing better
When they made Mariokart Wii, they intended to make an official Mariokart game, & nothing more. Do up the game, tweak things here & there, cut some stuff they wouldn't finish in time, the usual development.
When they were done, they were done. Unless some gamebreaking bug was found, they were finished developing & patching the game. They were satisfied with how it turned out.
Mods are only made because someone WASN'T satisfied. They wanted something MORE. The base game was fine, but there was something they wanted that wasn't present, so they added it in themselves. CTGP shows off what you can really do with the Wii's hardware, pushing it to limits the devs never intended. The game was complete in the developers' eyes, they didn't need to add anything else. Certainly not 200+ tracks, or restoring online, or all the hide & seek, 50 laps, elimination & so on. The mods are the result of repeated use of the system over a long time. The Nintendo devs only made the game that one time; they didn't push things past it, whether that be they never thought about it or weren't allowed to.
They finished, but didn't dig deeper, try to see what they could get away with. That's how mods work.
To answer the original question by @KirbyBoy, yes the fans are upset, but they only make up 20% of the people who play 8 Deluxe & Tour, & no fanbase is ever happy, so the general consensus is that nobody really cares.
When they made Mariokart Wii, they intended to make an official Mariokart game, & nothing more. Do up the game, tweak things here & there, cut some stuff they wouldn't finish in time, the usual development.
When they were done, they were done. Unless some gamebreaking bug was found, they were finished developing & patching the game. They were satisfied with how it turned out.
Mods are only made because someone WASN'T satisfied. They wanted something MORE. The base game was fine, but there was something they wanted that wasn't present, so they added it in themselves. CTGP shows off what you can really do with the Wii's hardware, pushing it to limits the devs never intended. The game was complete in the developers' eyes, they didn't need to add anything else. Certainly not 200+ tracks, or restoring online, or all the hide & seek, 50 laps, elimination & so on. The mods are the result of repeated use of the system over a long time. The Nintendo devs only made the game that one time; they didn't push things past it, whether that be they never thought about it or weren't allowed to.
They finished, but didn't dig deeper, try to see what they could get away with. That's how mods work.
To answer the original question by @KirbyBoy, yes the fans are upset, but they only make up 20% of the people who play 8 Deluxe & Tour, & no fanbase is ever happy, so the general consensus is that nobody really cares.