Something I really dislike about People who make High QualityTracks.

I've noticed that a lot of tracks that are either Pixelated, Not Super Detailed, or not made by Mods or Developers of the game have a tendency to get low ratings. Now some of the lower quality tracks are bad, but there are some tracks that are really great despite being made on a non professional website. But these good tracks get rated very low as if they are just scribbles.

And it's not just the tracks that get a lot of hate, it's the Multicups or Arenas that contain some of these Underrated Tracks. For example, MKPC Retro Rewind has a huge variety of Tracks made by other users. Sure, some of the tracks are a little bad looking, but at least 60% of the tracks have great quality for a non professional website.
But unfortunately, almost all of those people that make high quality tracks just kept rating it a 3/5 as if every single track was terrible. This made me upset because I included all of my best tracks, and some of them I spent a Week working on. But those haters just rate them a 2/5-3/5 as if I spent 5 Minutes drawing them. Honestly, this is the reason I haven't made many tracks recently. What's the point of spending a Week trying to make a track when it's just gonna get a 2/5? There is no point in spending my time trying to make people happy when people are just gonna hate it.

You know how many artists have different art styles? This is how I see some of those Good Tracks made on non professional websites. Especially the Cartoony ones. I see those cartoony tracks as "art" rather than "trash" like what those haters would say.


So to summarize this, if those haters are gonna hate on tracks for not being highly detailed, then I'm gonna hate on their tracks for being accurate, because honestly, I'm not a huge fan of highly detailed tracks.



Who here agrees with me?

I don't doubt that you've gotten hate on your tracks, but the creators that I've seen "hate" on your tracks were simply just giving criticisms on your tracks. Tracks are not like artwork. They rely on many different concepts besides looks to be perceived as "good". Because a track is an artwork, however, that is a huge piece of the mapping. The gameplay derives from the artwork. The style derives from the artwork. The readability derives from the artwork. There IS an art to making tracks, but simply put, you haven't quite mastered it, and you will continue to not master it if you stay stuck in your attitude and not accepting the fact that, to most, these tracks aren't good, and that it's not just the fact that "their opinion sucks". Let me give you some of my OWN critiques, aside from the ones you received from others (there may be some overlap).

Super Mario Kart Remastered:

SNES Rainbow Road Remastered V2 https://mkpc.malahieude.net/map.php?i=139396:

-Messy Minimap. It's hard to see when all the decors are blocking the road.

-Blurry. It has a bad image quality that makes it unappealing to look at.

-Hard to play. Overrides are really rushed and hard to activate, track is hard to read.

-Road width massive and unnecessarily so.

This is the case for almost all of the tracks I've seen made by you. Some of the tracks you've made aren't even yours, they're just taken from N64 map images from mk64 and collisions were added, like in Super Mario Kart R. I think you have potential as a creator if you study what good tracks look like, and learning from your mistakes.

DO NOT go hating on other people's work because your ego inclines you to believe that people only don't like your stuff because it "looks different". You can be punished for that kind of stuff, it's false rating, and you should know better.

Let me start off by saying at the time of writing this, there are 65K Complete Mode circuits. It is very unrealistic to expect all of them to get a lot of ratings. This has the issue of Mario Maker where there's a lot of people making levels, but nobody that's really playing them. People on this website only tend to talk about themselves/their own creations, which is fine but you can't really expect people to care if you don't care either.

I do agree though that the website should put a larger emphasis on playing custom tracks (custom tracks in general tbh) since gathering online rooms can be quite challenging and GP/VS mode gets kind of boring.


I'm guessing by "non professional" you mean they're made on websites like pixilart which generally speaking are often not very good tracks no. However keep in mind that using websites or software like pixilart or MS Paint is an active choice people make. The "professional" stuff better track creators use is free software. Anyone can download it.


Again, I do somewhat actually agree. Not to brag but since people like me and TheNudgyHampter are at the "top" we do develop somewhat of an elitist attitude so we do tend to make fun of some things. However don't think this applies to just bad tracks since we often make fun of good tracks too even if there's just one thing slightly wrong with it.


I'm going to have to cut you off here, the majority of Retro Rewind's tracks are not good. I don't think it is necessarily a bad project, since it gets less skilled track creators together. Though you can't really expect people to prefer this over MKPC Generations. You guys should strive to improve rather then hate on people who rightfully criticize it.


Honestly I don't really like numbered reviews because anything that doesn't get a near perfect rating immediately becomes 'bad'. 3/5 is not bad, it is literally over 50%. Also, listening to people that make high quality tracks would be wise since they actually know what makes a track good. Ignoring good track creators and calling them 'haters' is like trusting ChatGPT over your doctor. I can understand it being demotivating but you can just take a break. Reflect on what you could've done better and actually listen to criticism. I still do it, even when 20 5★ reviews are not uncommon for me anymore, I still see flaws with my tracks and where to improve.


You shouldn't be concerned about other people. You should make custom tracks for yourself. Most good track creators just make tracks for themselves and if other people like it then it's a bonus. At the end of the day it is your hobby, if you don't get any enjoyment there is no point in doing it.


What you're doing is hide criticism by saying "It's just my artstyle" which is a bad habit many artists have. No, tracks don't have to be ultra realistic or whatever. Puff_with_a_gun's tracks are a great example of having a unique art style that doesn't look bad.


I can understand you're upset but this is just highly immature. If you're hating on stuff for being good then I'm sorry but I don't know how you can't see you're in the wrong here. Review bombing is also against the rules so I highly advice not to.


I don't think many people outside of the Retro Rewind circlejerk will. What I'm currently seeing is you being mad that you're not making top tier tracks and complaining about it instead of trying to improve. Everything I have said in this reply applies to more Retro Rewind creators, so if you are one I reccommend reading this response in full.

If you do want to improve, there are plenty of people you can reach out to for help.


Well said. I see multiple people think that just because they get the right software they'll suddenly magically be able to make good tracks which is simply not the case. Good programs definitely help but it ultimately comes down to the drive of the creator to make something good, which is just completely ignoring the gameplay aspect of custom tracks. RHcks and Nexus' may look really good but they definitely suffer from bad colissions. (no hate to them btw)

Meanwhile, Wii Luigi Circuit and NS2 Great ? Block Ruins look great despite being made in pixilart which is the stereotypical 'bad track site'.

I do have the same issue where my tracks are decently low rated, but I recognize that as my own artistic skill issue. However, the most important thing for tracks isn't details but if the track is playable or not. One thing I've noticed from multiple tracks out of Retro Rewind (keep in mind I like the multicup and my own mediocre tracks are in it) is that with the larger pixelated tracks it is extremely hard to know where to go and hitboxes can feel jank. In my opinion, don't worry as much about detail if you don't want to but try to focus on making them feel good and not confusing to play like I do.

Adding onto what the others have said about websites, I just did a 12 minute speedbuild of a random track in pixilart. Here is the result:

Keep in mind I do have 6 years of experience in MKPC track design, and have used pixilart quite a bit in the past, so replicating something like this won't be as quick for everyone.

Obviously, it isn't crazy high quality, but there's enough in it to be considered 'okay' or 'decent'. It goes to show that you don't need to spend too much time to make something look alright, and I do think most people would appreciate what's here. If somebody else were to publish this in its current state (assuming the collisions are good) I'd probably give a 4/5, or even a 5/5 to support new/emerging creators, and I think many people could agree.

If enough people think this is impressive for a 12 minute build, I may consider making a beginner friendly pixilart tutorial using a similar art style. Hopefully it encourages more and better track making.


Also I'm gonna be totally honest but idk how you think this level of immaturity is somehow acceptable, and there's a perfectly valid reason why false ratings are forbidden in the rules. You also say this as if you haven't done it already.

There's also a difference between hate and criticism, especially if the criticism is constructive.