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I mean, before the context of World's ddvelopment it made sense. The only argument against was "in the past nitro meant XYZ".

Meanwhile, on the for it side, you have:

The track name and some assets in Tour's files a whole year prior
The fact that it doesn't show what game it came from(which all the other retros in Tour do)
The fact that the music in Tour is different from the 8DX version(all the GCN & Wii courses use the exact same audio, GBA, DS & 3DS get their songs un-bitcrushed

Clearly it was designed for World(although development for World itsrlf was restarted in 2020, 1 year after Tour)

But the only argument against it being a Tour track was literally semantics

Fire Flower and Ice Flower also have the red overalls. Same for Luigi's overalls all going green. They literally did that first, sinfe the very first game. It's just how the flowers work. And again, cartoon bubbles are usually pink. Look at Stella from Angry Birds. You can't call plagiarism over a single colour.

Also, no non-suit Mario Powerup has ever changed the gloves color. There's literally no grounds for it. Heck, even the Bee Suit doesn't.

I hate to burst your bubble (lol) but the 2nd and 3rd images were created on the day of and a few days after the Mario Wonder Direct(where the new powerups besides the Elephant were first shown) respectfully. They're just fan art of the Wonder designs and only exist because of them. Not the other way around.

Only the first one has any merit, and again, the suit design in question is justpink. Soap bubbles are often represented as pink in media. It's literally just the color pink. There's no special design or anything, it's just fire flower with a pink shirt. Anyone could've done that.

Also, is there any particular reason they wouldn't have stolen the Bubble Cap Mario is wearing either? They already did something similar for Cloud flower. They definitely would've, I feel like, because that's literally genius. Incredible artwork. But again, it's just...pink.

I guess we can't have a Water powerup because of SMG4 then, with this logic. Or anything yellow because there's a lightning Mario in some fangame (I think it was a NSMBW hack)

Also it's missing other details of the concept, like the skating ability (I guess it's based off of Ice in Kirby. I mean, Bubble Kirby functioned the way Bubble Flower does and that was a while before NSMBU even, which this design also doesn't pre-date) which Nintendo would've stolen too.

As I said, they already used (most) of the mechanics in NSMBU for Bubble Baby Yoshi. The only one that wasn't there is bouncing off of the bubbles (I think)

And the "suit color" in question is literally just pink.

They would definitely have nuked stuff if they stole from it, I guarantee it. It was most likely just a coincidence for the color (Because it's literally just pink.)

We'll find out next 2D Mario though.

No problem. It's not wrong to say either. We'll likely never know. But World at the least has nothing new so it's fine on that front. If the next 3D Mario has anything that close to a fan design tho, it'd be confirmed for sure.

Okay, that one is pretty well known. But that game's Bubble flower is based on the same thing Wonder's Bubble Flower is based on: Bubble Baby Yoshi from NSMBU (older than both). You can tell with the whole "enemy dies and becomes coins" thing. The colors are pretty uncanny, I will admit(although Mario has never had a pink powerup so simple colour distinction could be the cause). I feel like they would've taken it down if that was the case tho. Nintendo have struck down games like AM2R just because they were making something similar themselves, even though the games ended up being extremely different by the end of it. Fangames have died for less(like the Battle Royale Mario). If that was the case, I think 12 Orbs would've gotten nuked. Not that Japanese developers are looking up ROM hacks of SMW to begin with.

Either way, World has no original power ups(besides Coin Shell) or characters, so nope, no plagiarism, whether that was intended copying or not!

Plagiarized from who? Ignoring that the general idea is...extremely basic and obvious.

Like, that's not really plagiarism on it's own. It makes a lot of sense. Is the suit color the same? Is bubble's interaction with enemies the same? When was that Bubble Flower created? How many people knew about that fangame beforehand?

Like, I'm not gonna call someone who's never heard of A Hat in Time a plagiarizer just because their song is simply called 'Train Rush'. It'd have to be undeniable.

What did they plagiarize in Wonder?

Since development for World started in 2017, it is highly likely that it was straight up made for World first. Then we got the downgraded version in Tour & 8DX.

P4R definitely isn't coming out this year, but GOTY is not going to be easy. E33, Prime 4, Wilds are all really good. I guess Bananza could technically be up there as well.

It's kinda pointless without adding the region/continent to begin with, even then I imagine bordering countries (like that whole pocket of Europe next to France) have almost identical temperatures (tbh idk I'm not into weather)

Mario is Back!


Seriously, World can finally retire as best 2D Mario.

My little brother loves that show, that song is a banger tbf

Anyway it's so that the show is memorable. You can forget an episode but the song gets ingrained in your memory. And if you ever find yourself forgetting the song, it'll come back to you.

Without A Generalized Area that Will not Be Named all the conversations have been spread out like crazy. It's probably still around the same amount of messages, just way less concentrated. More topics = less messages per topic. Every once in a while one might stick for a bit, but the smaller ones fizzling out is much more noticeable, whereas before the conversation would have switched to something else and the topic would have a lot more pages.

Tbf you guys will run out of tracks at some point, and this game lacks those random 3D background elements that made those LEGOKOTOR/MK8/FNAFSB Geoguessr videos really difficult. So I don't blame them for suggesting custom tracks.

It doesn't help that the base game here is 3 seconds away at all times & the tracks are all extremely short. You can literally just go find the right track and come back in half a minute, ie there's no reason to guess on the harder images. You test your theory and come back in 20 seconds. So it's pretty much down to how honorable the people playing are.(which is not likely)

Glad you guys are having fun though, but it's definitely going to end sooner rather than later seeing as how tracks are being repeated already. Atleast I learned that Riverside and Lakeside have different grass textures.

Thoughts on the trailer?

I know that the last three are ex-Holo I just don't watch corpo vtubers that much

Cecilia is the only corpo vtuber I watch, Mari/Kiara seems interesting but that's it

(Normie)Indie tho?

Hackerling + Limealicious for the win

PolterHeist is great (a collab name so fanon it only exists in my head)

Neuroverse/VChiban about even

The other AnyColor Escapists

Dooby/Nimi/Saba

Man...

Best of luck no matter what you do man, have a good one