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And I'm saying that maybe, just maybe,

they didn't do that

because they didn't steal it to begin with?

Because they knew that they came up with it for themselves and didn't borrow the idea, and were completely unaware? I don't think Nintendo looks at Deviantart.

If you know that your creation is original, why go out of your way to change it? You don't need to prove it to anyone. That sounds more sus than just having something similar, atleast to me.

Cheat smart, not hard. (not that we'll ever know if they copied or not(again, the only thing we have to make that plausible is the color pink. Everything else is just standard flower costume Mario design and not a sign of theft))

Also, you still haven't pointed out where the rest of the concept went if they did steal it...

"That would make it too obvious" this is not FNAF bro. You literally sound like a conspiracy theorist. The only reason against it you have is that it would be too obvious.

If that was the case, why use an even remotely similar color in the first place? Could it be that...there was no theft in the first place? Not that the artist owns that specific shade of pink.

And again, wheres the rest of their (incredible) idea at?

Not only are the bubbles different, half the powerup is missing. Are they stupid?

Reread the bottom of the message now, I was editing it.

But literally what other colour could it be? Stella uses a  pale green herself (mint I guess?) but aside from that, that's literally it.

We also don't know for sure when Wonder's development started. (NSMBU was in 2012, and we already know that World was being developed from 2017). This could've been planned from before the image.

Cartoon bubbles are pink, hence pink. That's literally it. The ROM hack creator came to that conclusion in 2012. The fanart might've been based off of that for all we know. (I doubt it, but it could've)

Bro Cat Suit & Tanooki Suit are similar because they're both SUITS

These three are all FLOWERS

the only flower that isn't like this is ALSO A SUIT

Classic isn't a powerup so I dunno what you were trying to prove, fact remains that no powerup has ever done that.

Dark blue would make sense if it was water or something, but bubbles are never dark blue, and light blue is taken. And ice can't be dark blue either. Bubbles are depicted as pink though, hence the colour.

I'd readily agree if the only sign of potential theft wasn't a literal solid color.

Like, that's a Hexcode, anyone can use that. In fact, that gives me a great idea. Give me a moment.

2019 image hexcode: #d696d2
Bubble Mario art from Wonder: #eb8bf3

Already disproves it from being an exact copy.

Also, where's the rest of it? The artist specifically drew a bubble hat, with Mario skating on the bubbles. It's not like they wouldn't be able to code that: Kirby has been doing that since SNES with Ice.

Heck, we already saw a ROM hack from even earlier than this fan art that is actually 1 to 1 with Bubble Mario. It's not exactly a groundbreaking unmistakeable design. It's just Mario but pink. Give me 5 minutes and I could do that too with a color change.

Like look at this dude. Are you really gonna tell me that this doesn't make sense?





This is one of the few things that stays consistent in this entire series(aside from enemies). The only time it breaks is for the Boomerang Flower, which gives you a Boomerang Suit.

Brother, both Fire Flower and Ice Flower also use the same colours for their shirts & hats. You're literally making zero sense here. I can't think of a single power up that doesn't do this. The suits cover everything, the Flowers change the shirts, hats & overalls, the gloves have never changed, not even with the suits or Elephant.

I'd understand if it was something they did at some point, but they literally have never done that.

P4R is not coming out this year I'm afraid. Maybe next year.

I mean, before the context of World's ddvelopment it made sense. The only argument against was "in the past nitro meant XYZ".

Meanwhile, on the for it side, you have:

The track name and some assets in Tour's files a whole year prior
The fact that it doesn't show what game it came from(which all the other retros in Tour do)
The fact that the music in Tour is different from the 8DX version(all the GCN & Wii courses use the exact same audio, GBA, DS & 3DS get their songs un-bitcrushed

Clearly it was designed for World(although development for World itsrlf was restarted in 2020, 1 year after Tour)

But the only argument against it being a Tour track was literally semantics

Fire Flower and Ice Flower also have the red overalls. Same for Luigi's overalls all going green. They literally did that first, sinfe the very first game. It's just how the flowers work. And again, cartoon bubbles are usually pink. Look at Stella from Angry Birds. You can't call plagiarism over a single colour.

Also, no non-suit Mario Powerup has ever changed the gloves color. There's literally no grounds for it. Heck, even the Bee Suit doesn't.

I hate to burst your bubble (lol) but the 2nd and 3rd images were created on the day of and a few days after the Mario Wonder Direct(where the new powerups besides the Elephant were first shown) respectfully. They're just fan art of the Wonder designs and only exist because of them. Not the other way around.

Only the first one has any merit, and again, the suit design in question is justpink. Soap bubbles are often represented as pink in media. It's literally just the color pink. There's no special design or anything, it's just fire flower with a pink shirt. Anyone could've done that.

Also, is there any particular reason they wouldn't have stolen the Bubble Cap Mario is wearing either? They already did something similar for Cloud flower. They definitely would've, I feel like, because that's literally genius. Incredible artwork. But again, it's just...pink.

I guess we can't have a Water powerup because of SMG4 then, with this logic. Or anything yellow because there's a lightning Mario in some fangame (I think it was a NSMBW hack)

Also it's missing other details of the concept, like the skating ability (I guess it's based off of Ice in Kirby. I mean, Bubble Kirby functioned the way Bubble Flower does and that was a while before NSMBU even, which this design also doesn't pre-date) which Nintendo would've stolen too.

As I said, they already used (most) of the mechanics in NSMBU for Bubble Baby Yoshi. The only one that wasn't there is bouncing off of the bubbles (I think)

And the "suit color" in question is literally just pink.

They would definitely have nuked stuff if they stole from it, I guarantee it. It was most likely just a coincidence for the color (Because it's literally just pink.)

We'll find out next 2D Mario though.

No problem. It's not wrong to say either. We'll likely never know. But World at the least has nothing new so it's fine on that front. If the next 3D Mario has anything that close to a fan design tho, it'd be confirmed for sure.

Okay, that one is pretty well known. But that game's Bubble flower is based on the same thing Wonder's Bubble Flower is based on: Bubble Baby Yoshi from NSMBU (older than both). You can tell with the whole "enemy dies and becomes coins" thing. The colors are pretty uncanny, I will admit(although Mario has never had a pink powerup so simple colour distinction could be the cause). I feel like they would've taken it down if that was the case tho. Nintendo have struck down games like AM2R just because they were making something similar themselves, even though the games ended up being extremely different by the end of it. Fangames have died for less(like the Battle Royale Mario). If that was the case, I think 12 Orbs would've gotten nuked. Not that Japanese developers are looking up ROM hacks of SMW to begin with.

Either way, World has no original power ups(besides Coin Shell) or characters, so nope, no plagiarism, whether that was intended copying or not!

Plagiarized from who? Ignoring that the general idea is...extremely basic and obvious.

Like, that's not really plagiarism on it's own. It makes a lot of sense. Is the suit color the same? Is bubble's interaction with enemies the same? When was that Bubble Flower created? How many people knew about that fangame beforehand?

Like, I'm not gonna call someone who's never heard of A Hat in Time a plagiarizer just because their song is simply called 'Train Rush'. It'd have to be undeniable.

What did they plagiarize in Wonder?

Since development for World started in 2017, it is highly likely that it was straight up made for World first. Then we got the downgraded version in Tour & 8DX.

P4R definitely isn't coming out this year, but GOTY is not going to be easy. E33, Prime 4, Wilds are all really good. I guess Bananza could technically be up there as well.

Brother give up this is clearly not working

That's really good! Although I thought that you'd mention that Psychomeddler is a remix of Alivel Mall.

Also the part where they didn't use Green Greens once in the entire game to show that it really is a new world.(Except the House Replica, of course) This is especially noticeable in the final boss theme, because the past 4 games have Triumphant Return in them.

I'm up waiting for Splatoon 3 3rd kit announcements